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« Reply #700 on: February 12, 2019, 05:52:48 PM »

Can't REALLY start comparing the two vehicles just yet until the release. When referencing the Audi E-Tron, I was also referring to the GT (coupe). Smiley No doubt, I'd expect the price point to be higher than Tesla's but maybe, like Telsa, we'll see that price point meet somewhere in the middle to capture more of the market.

Also, the 0-60 numbers were stated by Musk himself but I digress. Tongue

The E-Tron GT MAY arrive in the US in 2020, and will be more of a Model S competitor than a Model 3 competitor from the size and projected price.  It's likely to be out of my price range, but if not, whenever I tire of the Model 3 I may take a look.

The Model 3 Performance's 0-60 time is quoted as 3.3 seconds on Tesla's website.  Motor Trend measured 3.2 (0-60, not 5-60 or "rolling start"), and various owners have also measured 3.2 and even some 3.1s. 

It's true that Tesla's website initially claimed 3.5, but it was later updated to reflect 3rd party (like Motor Trend, Road and Track and some customers) results.

Out of mine as well! Lol. Although, it never hurts to take a test drive. Wink
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« Reply #701 on: February 12, 2019, 07:59:16 PM »

What about the other...

Since this particular thread of the discussion isn't relevant to my car or situation, I'm done with it.
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« Reply #702 on: February 13, 2019, 12:19:24 PM »

What about the other...

Since this particular thread of the discussion isn't relevant to my car or situation, I'm done with it.


So why is the Tesla not holding value?  Seems to sell for a good price.....

Anyone else know since zcd1 toastered?
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« Reply #703 on: February 13, 2019, 02:29:21 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/autosnews/tesla-model-3-2nd-best-resale-among-all-cars-tops-segment-and-all-classes/ar-BBSJ6Ci
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« Reply #704 on: February 14, 2019, 02:04:23 PM »


Your back!  Cheesy

model 3 definitely holding its value very good after checking what the actual resale value are on various different sites.  Really its simple supply / demand as the demand is still very high exceeding the supply since Tesla got so far behind.  It wasn't until late 2017 when consumers finally started receiving model 3s.  The car is still new with no changes to the build that I know of.

I agree that all high end luxury sedans don't hold their value well compared to all other cars, which is 1 reason the Model S is suffering.  Other reasons are
1.  Early build quality over the first 3 years
2. Many upgrades and improvements over the years to the Model S
3. The Model S also had its price dropped a few times likely hurting its resale

Time will tell if those resale values hold, but I'd buy a 2016 Model S P90D in a sec. over a new P3D

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« Reply #705 on: February 14, 2019, 02:41:10 PM »

Your back!...

Time will tell if those resale values hold, but I'd buy a 2016 Model S P90D in a sec. over a new P3D

I never left - I just got tired of going back and forth with you about the resale value of a car I don't own, nor care to own. 

Regarding Model S vs. M3P:  As the saying goes, "That's why they make 31 flavors!"  I could have bought a P85D for about the same $$$ as my Model 3P.  (I'm talking about cars from Tesla with Tesla warranties - I'd never buy any high-end car without a good manufacturer-backed warranty - YMMV)

The Model 3P is FAR more advanced in design, construction and technology than comparably-priced used Model Ss.  It also handles much better, has more headroom and is way more fun to drive - IMO - so I bought the car that suited my wants/needs better.  Again, YMMV.

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« Reply #706 on: February 15, 2019, 11:41:35 AM »

Your back!...

Time will tell if those resale values hold, but I'd buy a 2016 Model S P90D in a sec. over a new P3D

I never left - I just got tired of going back and forth with you about the resale value of a car I don't own, nor care to own. 

Regarding Model S vs. M3P:  As the saying goes, "That's why they make 31 flavors!"  I could have bought a P85D for about the same $$$ as my Model 3P.  (I'm talking about cars from Tesla with Tesla warranties - I'd never buy any high-end car without a good manufacturer-backed warranty - YMMV)

The Model 3P is FAR more advanced in design, construction and technology than comparably-priced used Model Ss.  It also handles much better, has more headroom and is way more fun to drive - IMO - so I bought the car that suited my wants/needs better.  Again, YMMV.



Would you pick your car over a Model S P90D ludacris?
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« Reply #707 on: February 15, 2019, 01:53:45 PM »

...Would you pick your car over a Model S P90D ludacris?

I already did, so yes.
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« Reply #708 on: February 21, 2019, 02:27:33 PM »

Tesla still struggling with their electronics, even on the model 3s

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/21/tech/consumer-reports-tesla-model-3/index.html
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« Reply #709 on: February 22, 2019, 02:38:42 PM »

I've collected over $17,000 of rebates on my Model 3 Performance. Most amazing car I've ever owned. Audi looks like they're in big trouble with the e-Tron dud for $100k with markup, and 30% EV by 2030 or whatever crap they pulled at super bowl.

6000 miles on my Tesla and it's basically flawless. Software keeps adding new features to the car. This really is the future. I don't see how Audi or BMW can compete with their old waterfall approach to car building, and telling customers to just buy a new car if they want new features. My 2018 Tesla has all the features of a new 2019.
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« Reply #710 on: February 22, 2019, 03:11:39 PM »

I've collected over $17,000 of rebates on my Model 3 Performance. Most amazing car I've ever owned. Audi looks like they're in big trouble with the e-Tron dud for $100k with markup, and 30% EV by 2030 or whatever crap they pulled at super bowl.

6000 miles on my Tesla and it's basically flawless. Software keeps adding new features to the car. This really is the future. I don't see how Audi or BMW can compete with their old waterfall approach to car building, and telling customers to just buy a new car if they want new features. My 2018 Tesla has all the features of a new 2019.

I'm surprised they dont give customers the option to update / upgrade for a price because you know all the German's would be charging for those update/upgrades
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« Reply #711 on: February 22, 2019, 03:34:38 PM »

I've collected over $17,000 of rebates on my Model 3 Performance. Most amazing car I've ever owned. Audi looks like they're in big trouble with the e-Tron dud for $100k with markup, and 30% EV by 2030 or whatever crap they pulled at super bowl.

6000 miles on my Tesla and it's basically flawless. Software keeps adding new features to the car. This really is the future. I don't see how Audi or BMW can compete with their old waterfall approach to car building, and telling customers to just buy a new car if they want new features. My 2018 Tesla has all the features of a new 2019.

I'm surprised they dont give customers the option to update / upgrade for a price because you know all the German's would be charging for those update/upgrades

Oh they absolutely will. They're only selling 2 hardware SKU. The dual motor version is the same exact hardware as performance. They would upgrade you to 0-60 in 3.1 seconds for $7000. The car has your credit card on file. They can bill you.
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« Reply #712 on: February 27, 2019, 01:49:23 PM »

I've collected over $17,000 of rebates on my Model 3 Performance. Most amazing car I've ever owned. Audi looks like they're in big trouble with the e-Tron dud for $100k with markup, and 30% EV by 2030 or whatever crap they pulled at super bowl.

6000 miles on my Tesla and it's basically flawless. Software keeps adding new features to the car. This really is the future. I don't see how Audi or BMW can compete with their old waterfall approach to car building, and telling customers to just buy a new car if they want new features. My 2018 Tesla has all the features of a new 2019.

I'm surprised they dont give customers the option to update / upgrade for a price because you know all the German's would be charging for those update/upgrades

Oh they absolutely will. They're only selling 2 hardware SKU. The dual motor version is the same exact hardware as performance. They would upgrade you to 0-60 in 3.1 seconds for $7000. The car has your credit card on file. They can bill you.

So they are adding new features and auto billing you  Huh
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« Reply #713 on: February 27, 2019, 02:36:52 PM »

...So they are adding new features and auto billing you  Huh

Nope - they're adding features at no additional cost: 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a26340723/tesla-sentry-dog-mode/
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« Reply #714 on: February 27, 2019, 02:40:49 PM »

Oh they absolutely will. They're only selling 2 hardware SKU. The dual motor version is the same exact hardware as performance....

This isn't actually entirely accurate.

The Model 3 "Performance" has larger, Brembo-sourced, Tesla-branded brake calipers and upgraded brake pads, plus a firmer, lowered suspension.
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« Reply #715 on: March 11, 2019, 12:10:36 PM »

I'm up to $18,000 in rebates on the Model 3 Performance that I paid $71k for. Yes, Tesla has lowered the price a few times. They actually wrote me a $5500 check to make it right ($5000 plus sales tax).

Regarding the suspension, I think the only difference is the spring hat. Mine looks low compared to your average Tesla.

Regarding the brakes, it's a Brembo 4 piston in front and a single piston slider in the rear. It's been a PITA to get brake pads for it. It was rumored to be the same Brembo OEM pad as Aston Martin, Shelby, Viper. But I tried and they don't quite fit. I ended up having a set of Pagid RS19 custom cut for $1000 total, for both axles. Even those had the pins drilled improperly so I had to have them sent out to be drilled oval. Why are the pins oval? Because Elon.

Regarding the hubs, Elon's CAD drawing didn't line up right and they stick out 3mm past the brake center. So you need special wheel centering rings. Again, I had them machined and I have the only Tesla Model 3 on the planet with BBS wheels -- which is kind of cool.

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« Reply #716 on: March 12, 2019, 12:59:52 PM »

I'm up to $18,000 in rebates on the Model 3 Performance that I paid $71k for. Yes, Tesla has lowered the price a few times. They actually wrote me a $5500 check to make it right ($5000 plus sales tax).

Regarding the suspension, I think the only difference is the spring hat. Mine looks low compared to your average Tesla.

Regarding the brakes, it's a Brembo 4 piston in front and a single piston slider in the rear. It's been a PITA to get brake pads for it. It was rumored to be the same Brembo OEM pad as Aston Martin, Shelby, Viper. But I tried and they don't quite fit. I ended up having a set of Pagid RS19 custom cut for $1000 total, for both axles. Even those had the pins drilled improperly so I had to have them sent out to be drilled oval. Why are the pins oval? Because Elon.

Regarding the hubs, Elon's CAD drawing didn't line up right and they stick out 3mm past the brake center. So you need special wheel centering rings. Again, I had them machined and I have the only Tesla Model 3 on the planet with BBS wheels -- which is kind of cool.



18k?  Federal tax credit $3750? or were you able to get $7500 before 2019 ? Was the P3D even available at that time?
Then you say the cut you a check for $5500 because they lowered the price?  So theres 13k, wheres the other 5?

You probably turn off the engine braking 100% huh?  I don't think I could rock that feature either....

Tesla has its own specific wheel bolt pattern so that it is difficult to get a nice set of after market wheels?
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« Reply #717 on: March 13, 2019, 06:37:46 AM »

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You probably turn off the engine braking 100% huh?  I don't think I could rock that feature either....

Tesla has its own specific wheel bolt pattern so that it is difficult to get a nice set of after market wheels?

Regenerative braking can't be turned off completely, but its behavior is altered somewhat in "Track Mode".  Regen braking is easy to adjust to with some experience and one-pedal driving is fantastic!

Tesla's wheel bolt pattern is shared with many other vehicles, so there's a wide range of wheels available for them.
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« Reply #718 on: March 13, 2019, 12:30:50 PM »

I got like $2500 in referral bonus prizes which I sold off. $7500 on income tax. $2500 from California. $800 from PG&E despite the soft bankruptcy. $5425 performance rebate. It's a lot of cash!

The regen takes 1 day of getting used to. I drove with it off for a day. Then turned it on and never went back. You basically get into one pedal driving. You just leave your foot in the middle of the throttle, and it maintains speed. If you lift it brakes. You only use the brake pedal for a panic stop.

I installed Autopilot basic yesterday for $2000 over the air. It will keep the car in a lane, and do brake/throttle up to 90 MPH. I don't think it's worth $5k but definitely worth $2k.
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« Reply #719 on: March 13, 2019, 01:45:14 PM »

...I installed Autopilot basic yesterday for $2000 over the air. It will keep the car in a lane, and do brake/throttle up to 90 MPH. I don't think it's worth $5k but definitely worth $2k.

Cool.

I felt the same way about Enhanced Autopilot and purchased the same upgrade for my car today as well.  Cool
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« Reply #720 on: March 16, 2019, 02:06:24 PM »

I bought FSD today.

My uncle bought a new 2018 S100D that was leftover. $103k sticker, got it for $82k from Tesla.
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« Reply #721 on: March 20, 2019, 07:54:19 AM »

as Tesla stock crashes after model Y announced  Huh

I actually think model Y much better looking than X but 2021 delivery is a joke.
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« Reply #722 on: March 23, 2019, 03:25:22 AM »

Best Model 3 review Iíve seen. No bullsh*t, gets the major facts right. Also teaches the appropriate conclusion.  Grin

https://youtu.be/kbulCM90w8w
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« Reply #723 on: March 24, 2019, 01:02:31 PM »

as Tesla stock crashes after model Y announced  Huh

I actually think model Y much better looking than X but 2021 delivery is a joke.

Clueless comment. Audi isnít going to have any EV until MY2026. That Tesla will be in customer driveways next year, with a volume of 2000 cars PER DAY in 2021. Faster 0-60 than a Lambo Urus for $60k. Safest SUV ever built. Driveability of Model 3.

Saw it in person in LA last week and itís kind of the same profile as a BMW X3, but with a lot more interior room because itís an EV. Should be the Audi SQ5 killer.

The e-tron SUV is a big joke. UK members posting it has a 165 kilometer range. They fucked up.
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« Reply #724 on: March 25, 2019, 10:59:24 AM »

Best Model 3 review Iíve seen. No bullsh*t, gets the major facts right. Also teaches the appropriate conclusion.  Grin

https://youtu.be/kbulCM90w8w

I prefer Chris Harris's review as it is most specific to what I look for in cars
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